05/02/25 - NAS is now selectively allowed on the soybooru. See https://wiki.soyjak.st/SoyBooru_guide and https://booru.soyjak.st/post/view/116224 for details.
05/02/25 - Uploads with fewer than 5 (five) tags and a variant tag will be denied
04/28/25 - There's a new sheriff in town. Send all concerns, complaints, and suggestions to soysneed@soyjak.st
IP 18.191.28.161 has been banned until the end of time because of VPN Detected
If you couldn't possibly be guilty of what you're banned for, the person we banned probably had a dynamic IP address and so do you.
>sparing virgin women and mercifully helping them get away from a degenerate society is le bad, evil christcucks would be more based if they just raped them instead
Warrior-Z: The one to the right is already debunked so kys retard.
@Chud: Kill yourself falseflagging cuck.
@WorldOfSoyim: Bro cucked down to someone calling him a pedo wtf.
OrientalTrollface: @Warrior-Z:
Okay I am genuinely inclined to see your reasoning, for 2 reasons.
1. Many prominent islamic scholars have said denying she was 9 is in itself wrong.
2. Is she 19 when the marriage was first proposed or after the marriage? I am confused
Warrior-Z: @OrientalTrollface:
1. Yeah, well, different scholars can have different perspectives.
2. She was 19 WHEN the marriage was first proposed, yeah. You can read the doc.
OrientalTrollface: @Warrior-Z:
What do you think of the hadith saying she met Muhammad at age 6 and was married at 9? Do you think it is incorrect, misquoted or weak?
OrientalTrollface: Btw if she was 19, why would she be playing with dolls?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Warrior-Z: @OrientalTrollface: This argument is exactly what the doc addresses, I suggest you go read it instead of pulling out the arguments that were already refuted.
@OrientalTrollface: I think THAT part of the hadith is weak due to the timeline that verified and trusted historians have put, which would put Aisha RA's age at about 19.
OrientalTrollface: @Warrior-Z:
I am reading the document but i'm already confused, like what proves Hisham ibn `Urwa and narrators who say she is 9 are liars? It just says they are unreliable with no explanation.
Warrior-Z: @OrientalTrollface: The main argument is this, let me simplify it for you: The well-known historian Ibn Jareer al-Tabari writes at page 50 of volume 4 of his 'Book of History': "Abu Bakr married two ladies in the days of ignorance. Fateelah daughter of Abd al-Aza was the first, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Umm-i-Rooman was the second, from whom Abd al-Rahman and Aisha were born. All the four children of Abu Bakr were born in the days of ignorance from the above-named two ladies. It is a well-known fact of history, that Abu Bakr's son Abd al-Rahman fought against the Muslims in the battle of Badr. His age at that time was 21-22 years, and although he was older than Aisha, there is no evidence to show that the difference between their ages was more than three or four years. This fact lends support to the view that Aisha was born four or five years before the Call. Now we know that Aisha was engaged by prophet Muhammad (p) in around 11th year of call (i.e.around 620 ad ) and consummated by marriage after three years i.e., around 623-624 a.d.. Now do the calculation the calculation . In 623 when Aisha's brother was 21-22 , at that time Aisha (r) was not less than 18-19 years . Hence when Prophet Muhammad (p) engaged her in 620 ad she was around 16-17 years . Almost after 2-3 years Prophet (p) married her and took her to his home , which tends her age finally around 19 Quranic interpretation. 1. The well-known historian and scholar 'Allama 'Imad-ud-Deen Ibn Katheer writes in his 'Al-Badayah' about Sayedah Asma' daughter of Abu Bakr' (and we hope Maulana Syed Abul Ala Maududi must have seen it as he referred to 'Al-Badaya' in his article): Asma' died in 73 A.H. at the age of 100 years. She was ten years older than her sister 'Aisha. Now according to this report 'Asma' would have been 27-28 years old at the time of Hijrah and since she was ten years older than Sayedah 'Aisha, therefore the age of Sayedah 'Aisha would have been 17 or 18 years at the time of Hijrah. Accordingly, her birth falls about four or five years before the Call, and her age at the time of the consummation of marriage in 2 A.H. will work out to 19-20 years.
- Reply
- Reply
@Chud: Kill yourself falseflagging cuck.
@WorldOfSoyim: Bro cucked down to someone calling him a pedo wtf.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MiupfAM3Sb5GNC9HkP58MbhYUQe2JW38-W9QuZ9e2o8/
UstashKIKES lost btw
Okay I am genuinely inclined to see your reasoning, for 2 reasons.
1. Many prominent islamic scholars have said denying she was 9 is in itself wrong.
2. Is she 19 when the marriage was first proposed or after the marriage? I am confused
1. Yeah, well, different scholars can have different perspectives.
2. She was 19 WHEN the marriage was first proposed, yeah. You can read the doc.
What do you think of the hadith saying she met Muhammad at age 6 and was married at 9? Do you think it is incorrect, misquoted or weak?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
@OrientalTrollface: I think THAT part of the hadith is weak due to the timeline that verified and trusted historians have put, which would put Aisha RA's age at about 19.
I am reading the document but i'm already confused, like what proves Hisham ibn `Urwa and narrators who say she is 9 are liars? It just says they are unreliable with no explanation.
@Chud: You're welcome, brother.
- Reply