Chud¹: protestanterald

chasecool: 2nd best german of all time

Chud²:

>Sola scriptura good even doe there are 1,489 different protestant denominations

>Sola fide good even doe most Protestants are trashy as hell until right before they die

Chud³: @Chud²: >romanist church is the one true united church ev&doe thousands of splinters that all hate each other (Sedevacantists, SSPX, Eastern Catholics, etc) also i TROONHEART MISUNDERSTANDING SOLA SCRIPTURA EVERY TIME!!!

>sola fide le BAD even though its all throughout holy scripture and also romanists are completely spiritually dead, with low church attendances worldwide, its mostly just a gay LARP now

Chud⁴: @Chud³: you will never be a real church, you have no authority, you have no pope, you have no sacraments

Chud⁵: @Chud³: "There are more Protestants going to Protestant churches than there are Latins going to Latin churches therefore it's the true religion" would be spurious as an apology/polemic even if it were true.

Chud⁶: Have you read my 95 peer reviewed studies?

Chud⁷: @Chud⁵: no arrow therefore you say that and you look like that + i didnt treat it as an actual method of apologetics, just was a response to a tard spewing hypocrisy

Chud⁸: @Chud⁴: i'd rather not have a pope actually, thank you, especially seeing how romanists having one turned out for them, i hope you enjoy francis' rainbow reign of terror, it has been so bad to the point where the new theoLARP known as sedevacantism was conceived, btw, francis said you have to be nice to me chud

Chud⁹: @Chud⁷: The thousand different religions that exist under the name of "Protestantism" being a consequence of Luther's teaching on authority is something entirely different from your argument th(d)ough, even if you say that your argument wasn't yours now.

Chud¹⁰: @Chud⁹: prior to the Reformation, divisions were already happening within the church. This isnt something to chimp out about, but rather is something we have to accept, divisions will happen due to our fallen human nature. Every Protestant denomination holds to the doctrine of the invisible Church, which in summary is, the one true holy Christian Church is found wherever the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is faithfully and fully preached.

Chud¹¹: @Chud¹⁰: First point doesn't make the appearance of innumerable religions from the Protestant revolt less novel. As for the rest, Protestant ecumenism in its most developed form is quite new - these different religions hold to often radically different doctrines, and (At least among the older sects) this was recognised by their own teachers. The specific doctrine of an "invisible Church" you preach sounds more historically similar to the Baptist attempt to draw an unbreakable line of the "true faith" from themselves to the Apostles through numerous and vastly different heretical sects across that history prior to the revolts of the 16th century.

Chud¹²: NOT MUH HECKING DIVISIONERINOS

WORSHIP AT THE THRONE OF LORD NIGGERZOG IV AND PAY YOUR FREAKING INDULGENCES YOU DAMN TWP SHITSTAIN, STOP RUINING MY GLOBAL WHOLESOME CHUNGUS NIGGER COMMUNE

Chud¹³: @Chud¹¹: it's going to be a little difficult to reply to this since the 'ru claims i have banned terms in my comment, so i hope you'll excuse me on that.

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it does and it does not, and your rhetoric can safely apply accurately to the divisions within the RCC aswell, protestant ecumenism isn't new, it has been around for longer and around the time of the reformation. we don't try to downplay the fact that we do have noticeable divisions amongst us, it's true that we do, it's unfortunate, but at the very least we don't try to hide and lie about it like papists do. the divisions within your church are even worse than ours, our divisions is only with the interpretation of scripture, meanwhile yours is with almost practically everything, papists have to figure out what traditions are scriptural and which arent, which marian apparitions were real and were not, which pope is valid and which one isnt, which traditions are apostolic and which ones arent, and so on and so fourth. protestant denominations do have a considerable amount of unity, as we all agree on the fundamentals of the faith, such as for example, the 5 solas. every major protestant denomination holds to it. ill respond more soon

Chud¹⁴: @Chud¹¹: the invisible church doctrine is taught by scripture, and was also taught amongst the reformers. i dont understand the point youare trying to make here. also, just remember, this could have been all avoided if your monstrous cum-gargling pedophile Pope Leo X didn't excommunicate Luther, and have the whole RCC & Jesuit servants persecute him. Luther wasn't a random nobody trying to rebel against the church, he was appointed as doctor of theology, was a catholic priest and a monk, he wanted to reform the church within, not try to create a new christianity. maybe read the 95 theses next time. also reminder that the RCC caused the enlightement, mainly with one factor being jesuits' new atheist-level skepticism towards protestants.

Chud¹⁵: @Chud¹⁴: Again, saying that the advent of difference between N.O. and Sedevacantists (Really the only actual schism you mentioned) is existentially the same as as the continuous appearance of Protestant religions doesn't make it true.
Much of the rest is just the same Protestant ecumenism; Everything said about it previously still holds. Earlier teachers of the various sects would generally not agree with it. Its resemblance to the Baptist concept of "continuity" is especially amusing in light of the new argument of unity in the "real fundamentals of faith", defined as Luther's Solas, since the historical Baptists and their predecessors in the Anabaptists explicitly rejected this formula.

>Chudther was just a reformer! He was a monk and a priest! (Even doe he abolished monasticism and the hierarchical priesthood in his preaching)

Chud¹⁶: @Chud¹⁴: Didn't mention it but "The Enlightenment was really only a consequence of the COUNTER-Reformation" is a declaration that requires either special blindness or especially wilful ignorance

Chud¹⁷: @Chud¹⁶: ev&doe it was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBy546x97xI

Chud¹⁸: @Chud¹⁵: simply because i only mentioned those few churches on which you consider 'schisms' does not mean there are more. there are the several hundreds of independent catholic churches, the charismatic catholics, the byzantine/eastern catholics (MENTIONED THEM AGAIN AWARD) [and also their countless internal schisms aswell, eastern swarthodoxy is arguably just as fucked and actually even worse than roman catholicism] and many more, who you would consider to all be schismatics. also i do not see how protestant ecumenism resembles anything close to that of the schizoid doctrine of BRAPtist landmarkism, especially analBRAPtist landmarkism, we all can agree that anabaptists sucked ass, they were maniacs and they are burning in hell. the reformers condemned them. i also still cant understand how ecumenism or the invisible church doctrine was not taught amongst the reformers, i would appreciate it if you could share evidence for your claim (gonna SNOPES FACT CHECK it)

Chud¹⁹: ^ different tranny btw the og troon killed himself

Chud²⁰: @Chud¹⁹: most retarded faggot award

Chud²¹: @Chud¹⁸: The question is one of the existential novelty of the continuous division of so-called Protestantism into innumerable religions, as a real consequence of the teachings of the earliest teachers under this name. BTW, "Byzantine Catholics" and "Melkite Catholics" are in union with the Pope of Rome.
For the second part, whether early Protestant teachers held to various forms of the doctrine of an "invisible Church" is separate from whether the ecumenist form of it you teach resembles their belief. That this ecumenism is simply evident from any extensive reading on the development of Protestantism - starting from even the beginning, Luther and Zwingli could never unite and understood each other to be teaching basically different faiths. Moreover the constant disputes and anathematisation between Luther and other teachers that would probably simply be called "Lutheran" or "Protestant" by Protestant ecumenists today are well-documented.

>Wait Baptists and Anabaptists believed that? Erm they're not Protestants then, you can't call them that

I should also say explicitly that I am not a Latin

Chud²²: @Chud¹⁹: uhm, source

Chud²³: @Chud²²: xe has been fact checked FALSE by snopes, i'm still here and im reading

Chud²⁴: @Chud²¹: i will answer you soon btw my nigga, though right now i have to go somewhere and will probably return late, i will likely answer tomorrow if that is fine with ya, may God bless you

Chud²⁵: @Chud²⁴: Reply when you have the time

Chud²⁶: @Chud²⁵: For the time being, I would say to watch this https://youtu.be/1rGIRwS_da4

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I will still respond on my own soon, will have to go for real now

Chud²⁷: holy buckbroken comment section

Chud²⁸: @Chud²⁶: "Private judgement" is a nebulous term, but ultimately the question of the doctrine of Luther (Or one of the questions) is whether the individual and isolated interpretation of Scripture as the foundation of belief is the teaching of the Apostolic religion - study of all the earliest authors and Fathers of this religion shows it not to be. The 'reconstructionist' idea of Luther, by which one can look back by a special power to a root alien to all living branches and fashion a new tree for the branch and the root, is rather revealed as antithetical to what these first authors believed.

Chud²⁹: @Chud²⁸: alright, lets start all over again, I had originally written a draft of a longer wordswordswords response but even I ended up getting lost in what I wanted to argue for. What is the actual concern you seem to have for Protestantism here? Im seeing it is particularly in regards to Sola Scriptura and the spawn of several different denominations, though you've not really made your point too clear with it, and you seem to insist on mentioning the issue of Protestant ecumenism, which if I will be honest, I still cannot seem to understand, maybe i am a little illiterate (ESL award) but I just could not understand your argument even after reading it several more times. What is your exact problem? Explain it more simply or however else the arteries are clogged

Chud³⁰: I fucking hate brown people and slaves. Therefore, I am protestant. Mad, wordtroons?

Chud³¹: @Chud²⁹: also to add to this you seemed to also mention often about baptist landmarkism and disunity amongst the original reformers, I cant seem to understand what the first one has to do with any of this, its a really schizo modern doctrine that was popularized when the IFB church came to be, prior to that there also was the Anabaptist landmarkist doctrine too, which was just as schizo, I don't see how both of these have anything to do with what we are arguing for here, they are just stupid heresies that have been debunked over a gorillion times

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Also to add, I am a Reformed Christian, and, I also never said or thought that Baptists and Anabaptists arent Protestants or even Christians for that matter, they are, despite some of their schizo doctrines, they are still saved and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Chud³²: @Chud³¹: The likeness between the specific sort of Protestant ecumenism espoused by you earlier and the Baptist conceptions of continuity is both in their being quite novel, and in their farcical confusion of earlier sects in order to propagate a spurious idea of historical unity. The rest I have to let stand, for the most part, on its own. The infinite division of Protestantism into countless religions, since that is by the measure of even the older Protestant teachers what they are, being the ontological (Existential) consequence of the Lutheran doctrines of isolated interpretation of Scripture and the historicity of religions (The latter as regards the 'reconstructionist' teaching already mentioned) was and is among the central themes, if not the central theme, even from your first reply to someone else at beginning of thread.
Regarding Baptists and Anabaptists - you did explicitly condemn them to Hell when their historical rejection of Luther's Solas became the topic of conversation.
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