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Spamming the two same 5 years glowie 'c0rd screenshots doesn't prove shit, but the thousands upon thousands of trannies with palestine flags on Twitter do prove they transheart your kind
Allah attracts the inbred, so it's not surprising there's so much retarded pro-Islam post, all muslims namefags are related BTW
Hamas is the father, Albert is the tradwife
Shiturko the son, shiturko made a child with Albert too which created Azeri_Boga
Joel is the uncle, who he also fucked Albert which created Hezbollah_B and that one crimean namefag I forgot the name
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Why is Albert so fertile?
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Who the fuck made this brimstone
Kill yourself if you fall for this shit, barely anyone on the internet is real, all NAMEFAGS are not real either, they're just AIs programmed by Froot to make the 'ru seem more alive that it actually is
Trans folx sonic OCs said xhey supports Palestine and hamas, trans jihad IS gonna happen in your lifetime and you're gonna like it
Dead soysphere theory, nobody is real, nusoifags are not real, every recently made 'jaks on the 'ru are all ai generated, that's why slopjaks exist, slopjaks are just failed ai generations that froot decided to not delete because he's a lazy nigger
I believe it
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Kill yourself hamass
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GEG, HE WAS A FAGGOT MUZZIE WHO GOT AIDS BY A SPIC
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/us/was-the-orlando-gunman-gay-the-answer-continues-to-elude-the-fbi.html
So there's no proper evidence for it, could be some guy talking out of his ass.
@Chud: Jew, Tel Aviv is the capital of homosexuality, you retard. Also your Talmud is pedophilic within itself.
50 iq
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/
The well-known historian Ibn Jareer al-Tabari writes at page 50 of volume 4 of his 'Book of History': "Abu Bakr married two ladies in the days of ignorance. Fateelah daughter of Abd al-Aza was the first, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Umm-i-Rooman was the second, from whom Abd al-Rahman and Aisha were born. All the four children of Abu Bakr were born in the days of ignorance from the above-named two ladies.
It is a well-known fact of history, that Abu Bakr's son Abd al-Rahman fought against the Muslims in the battle of Badr. His age at that time was 21-22 years, and although he was older than Aisha, there is no evidence to show that the difference between their ages was more than three or four years. This fact lends support to the view that Aisha was born four or five years before the Call.
Now we know that Aisha was engaged by prophet Muhammad (p) in around 11th year of call (i.e.around 620 ad ) and consummated by marriage after three years i.e., around 623-624 a.d.. Now do the calculation the calculation . In 623 when Aisha's brother was 21-22 , at that time Aisha (r) was not less than 18-19 years .
Hence when Prophet Muhammad (p) engaged her in 620 ad she was around 16-17 years . Almost after 2-3 years Prophet (p) married her and took her to his home , which tends her age finally around 19
Also hows it exactly just "opinions" or "anecdotes" if they are well proven and its scientific? Btw this doesn't "discredit" their facts either?
Either way, the source you are using is a composite of OVER SEVEN THOUSAND hadiths compiled into one by an old man, so it has some contradictions here and there so I'll have to read into it.
Sunan Abi Dawud, 3903.
A mother who nurses a girl so that she will be at least something other than bones sounds like she was not 19. And not 14. But exactly 9 as when maphammed raped her.
We are talking about history, imbecile. Obviously, someone who is closer to historical events has seen more of them than someone who was further away in the historical period.
You do realise that this doesn't logically correlate at all? Comparing physique to age and some people do live with their mothers and this is most likely one of those cases as I have provided. Btw prove this is even reliable geg, this is "Sunan Abi Dawud", prove its reliable and dont appeal to "experts" opinions since you obviously had a problem with that, prove it by hand.
@Chud:
No, retard, historical correction can happen especially to an old man who worked on a composite of 600 000 books retard, so stfu and kys.
What a desperate arguments. Not only is there an obvious correlation between life with mother and youth (the fact that you deny it says a lot about you), but she not only LIVED with her mother, her mother CONTROLLED her diet. She was at THAT level of "subjectivity".
If you want evidence of pedophilic tendencies of your religion are not in the hadiths, but in the verses, then here they are:
"And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] THOSE WHO HAVE NOT MENSTRUATED. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease." 65:4
This hadith is literally about pregnancy. Let it be known to you that the very hadith from Sahih Al-Bukhari that you call anecdotal refers to this verse in quran. I hope you won't deny that girls who haven't had their periods haven't gone through puberty yet. Before replying i recommend also check tafsirs about this verse by Ibn Kafir. You can also check this verses 4:23 and 4:24 that explains what women are forbidden for sexual intercourse.
You deny Sahih al-Bukhari, compelled in 846, Sunan Abi Dawud compelled no later than 889, but at the same time a random book that you found on Google, compelled in 915 IS ACTUALLY LE TRVTHNUKE. It's funny to watch your crap reddit-rotten brain calling "anecdotical" sunnahs.
What are you talking about when you say you're a good debater? I know that debates are held in high esteem in pisslamic ummah, but anyone, literally anyone, will see how desperate your arguments are. Faith is always about faith, and attempts to prove something by le DEBATES in it in 'RU(
And the hadiths we are talking about were not just collected by one person, evidence about him collected gorillions of hadiths IS ANECTODIC and has zero any proofs. It was physically impossible for him to learn that many hadiths. Check sherif gaber video about Sahih al-Bukhari.
"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people
may understand / use reason" (12:2)
"We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise." (14:4)
"So We have revealed an Arabic Quran to you, in order that you may warn the capital city and all who live nearby..." (42:7)
"We have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." (4:58)
"If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, 'If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?' Say, 'It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.' (41:44).
And now, 2 digit iq nigger, i would suggest to you stop shitting on 'ru with autistic squeals about debates and follow your dirty 50 y.o pedo beduin leader and spend as many time as possible in your misearbly mudslim life to learn arabic as any good late abrahamic goyim should do. Debate won geeeg
This is a non sequitur-it doesn't logically follow. Adults and teenagers can also live under the care of their parents, especially in pre-modern societies where familial ties were extremely strong. Btw, you're focusing on Sunan Abi Dawud, which, while respected, is not on the same level of authenticity as Sahih Muslim or the Quran. To use it as your primary source while dismissing more rigorously authenticated hadiths shows selective bias. You claim I'm ignoring reliable sources, but you're relying on less authoritative hadith collections without acknowledging the distinction in their authenticity. Also prove they're reliable geg. You also referenced some raisin about Aisha gaining weight through a diet, YOU KNOW THAT is anecdotal in nature RETARD? You're taking a specific incident and trying to generalize her age based on that. ALSO YOU IGNORE THE HISTORICAL TIMELINE I LAID OUT YOU RAISINSKIN RETARD GEEEEG. If Abd al-Rahman, Aisha's brother, was around 21-22 years old during the Battle of Badr, and there was only a 3-4 year age difference between them, that would make Aisha at least 18-19 at the time of her marriage. This is based on historically verifiable accounts, RETARD NOT ASSUMPTIONS YOU BITCH. YOU THEN TALK ABOUT TAFSIRS OF DUDES LIKE IBN KATHIR AS IF IT SUPPORTS YOU'RE ARGUMENT, CLEAR DOUBLE STANDARD. You can't pick and choose when to trust expert analysis based on what supports your argument, ARE EXPERTS RELIABLE OR NOT, MONKEY? SINCE YOU TRY TO DENOUNCE IT??? Also yeah, I do think Sahih Al Bukhari is contradictory in many cases, we can debate that too.
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 1422c
You keep just straightforward shitting yourself sisa. If you think something about hadiths/verses you should check tafsirs. I know about "power" of hadiths in pisslam. Hadith about marriage with aisha considered as strong by the "big" pisslam scientist + hadiths about aisha in sources refers to quran.
Doesn't matter. More goy lives were lost in ww2 then ever before. Goyim are too weak to kill HebrewBVLLS so they cope buy spamming comments online. But the fact remains that palestine will never be freed, greater Israel will be achieved, and all goyim are set to be thrown into the fire.
This is Sahih Muslim now, not Bukhari. Bukhari isn't just source by old man, check my previous comment. Watch or read something about what you talking about before posting.
Cultural detail? About literal prophet of god who done EVERYTHING with the help of Allah, including the writing of the quran? Btw is playing with dolls also just cultural detail of 19 y.o?
You even didnt know there is this hadith in sahih muslim you lying name-dropping nigger.
LMAOO DONT MENTION??? DO YOU EVEN NOW HOW HALAL/HARAM WORKS IN ISLAM??? Not even saying that if you read these verses you can clearly see that to mudslims ALL women are halal that doesnt mentioned in these verses:
"Lawful to you are all beyond these-as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication". On which sources tabari to begin with gained knowledge of aisha existence? It talks about pregnancy, can you read? "And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease." 65:4. You are conveniently ignore 90% of islamic sunnahs and refuse to understand that historic text that you provided gained knowledge about aisha to begin with by religious sources. Also: > Experts, including Ulama, believe Tabari's history is a collection of narrations related to specific events, without considering them fully reliable.
1- https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877 7,9,18 2- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422c 7,9,18 3- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422d 6,9,18 4- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258 9,18 5- https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876 6,9 6- https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121 7/6 ,9 7- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256 7,9 8 - https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378 6,9 9- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257 9, 9y 10- https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255 6,9 11- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134 6,9,9y 12- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894 6,9 13- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133 6,9,9y 14- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158 6,9,9y 15- https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896 6,9 16- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a 6,9 17- https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b 6,9
that dates back to Hisham ibn Urwa aswell man stop being arrogant losing this debate won't kill you
Links on all hadiths above your comment. Also i provided quran verses and you can check tafsirs about them. Just accept that your religion is pedophilic, mehmet.
HAHAHA YOU'RE GETTING BTFO'D SO BAD THAT IT'S BECOMING CLEARER THAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASED ON SELECTIVE READING AND EMOTIONAL OUTBURSTS. I've already acknowledged THE IMPORTANCE OF SAHIH MUSLIM BUTYOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN AUTHENTIC HADITH ARE SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AND CONTEXT BEHIND IT, RETARD. The age of Aisha mentioned in Sahih Muslim is one narration among others. In the same collections, different narrations imply different ages, which is why scholars have debated this issue for centuries. Scholarly consensus doesn't matter within this context, and it's dishonest to treat this single hadith as absolute proof without considering BOTH context and other sources. AND I LOVE HOW YOU DIDNT REFUTE THE OTHER POINTS WITHIN MY PARAGRAPH, GETTING TIRED, NICE JEWISH BOY?? KEK JUST SHOOT YOURSELF ALREADY. You claim the Prophet did "everything with the help of Allah," including writing the Qur'an (which, by the way, is wrong. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet, not written by him). Then you equate cultural practices with divine instruction. This is an appeal to emotion fallacy, you're terribly losing this debate to me lmao. "experts, including Ulama", yeah this is just an appeal to authority fallacy, geg. You're so dishonest and you're getting btfo'd. Tabari's work is a composition of many narrations, his records are legit considered important, retard. Including the calculation of her brother's age, which suggests she was older than nine. Historical cross-referencing with other events supports that Aisha was older than you claim retard. Historians like Tabari relied on sacred history to document events, but that doesn't mean the facts they documented are inaccurate, retard. These are not seperate hadiths most of those are bukhari and some of them dont even explicitly state that she's 9. You're so retarded trying to presuppose your interpretation as correct. And what makes these links reliable exactly? ALso you are ESL, you're not doing too well trying to catch up with me, you're making yourself look so ass, its sad. Also the Bukhari is still unreliable due to the contradictions within it, as I said, DO YOU WANT PROOF OF IT?
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About 76% of them come from Urwa, at best it's propaganda disseminated by Urwa in iraq to make Aisha appear better and purer and an earlier member of Muhammad's household
Yes, my interpretation is correct, your wrong, this is reason why i debate you dumb faggot geeg
"And what makes these links reliable exactly?"
??? You can just open them buckbroken mehmet and read before crying. Your squeal about me being esl has been answered above. You are walking in circles geeg.
The reason that marital hadiths exist anyway is already explained, propaganda to sugarcoat the status of Aisha in shia-majority iraq. (even the shias said that Fatima was 9 when married to Ali). There is no reason to state her actual age especially if she hadn't stated it herself
Doe shiites have a negative attitude towards Aisha.
17 sources say that she narrated her age xerself and they actually cross-referenced as we understood above
yes nigga she didnt state her age, and THEN people made up her age at marriage to make her appear even closer to muhammad
no lol
meds i never said that, i said Urwa did that and he was closer to sunnis
@Chud:
okay jose you're being really retarded now, i JUST said that people(like senile Urwa) WANTED to make Aisha appear purer because the shiites were slandering her
Yes lol, if you know arabic you would know that there reference in this hadiths to quran.
38 - bb 'nkh lrajul wldh lsghr
lqwlh t`la : )walatiy lam yahidna fj`l `dth thlthh 'shhr qbl lblwgh .
5133 hdthn mhmd bn ywsf hdthn sfyn `n hshm `n 'byh `n `i'shh rdy llh `nh 'na lnbya salla Allah `alayhi wa-sallam tzwjh why bnt st snyn , w'udkhilat `lyh why bnt ts` , wmknt `ndh
ts`>> . [ ndhr lhdyth : 3894 , 3896].
Ok, aisha was 9 when maphammed raped her.
https://islamweb.net/ar/library/content/52/9381/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A5%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%84-%D9%88%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%B1
38 - Chapter on a man marrying off his young children
Because God Almighty said: "And those who have not menstruated." He made her waiting period three months before puberty.
5133 - Muhammad bin Yusuf told us, Sufyan told us, on the authority of Hisham, on the authority of his father, on the authority of Aisha, may God be pleased with her, that the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, married her when she was six years old, and she was brought to him when she was nine years old, and she remained with him.
"Nine." [See Hadith: 3894, 3896].
arabic doesnt work here, just refer me to the verses and i can read them and contextualize them, which surah? are you talking about "And those who have not menstruated"? BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN MARRY WOMEN IN MENOPAUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
i literally just provided it dude, people wanted to make aisha look purer because shiites were slandering her (and they still do)
keeeek
islam won once again
isnt that authority fallacy sisa? Every "professional debater" know how to win debate: crying about win of debate during debate and logging out to self-answer lmaoooo
its about pregnancy, nice cherry picking faggot. Read tafsirs by Ibn Kafir about this verse and read commentary to Sahih Bukhari by links i provided above:
https://islamweb.net/ar/library/content/0/4937/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A5%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%84-%D9%88%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%B1
https://islamweb.net/ar/library/content/52/9381/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A5%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%84-%D9%88%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D8%A7%D8%B1
Why ignore if you know arabic?
It's not because they'd have evidence behind that. And nice strawman fallacy in the second half there.
@Chud: What's gonna be the argument behind that I did a "strawman"? I can give you the reasoning they gave why I won.
You are autistic 50 iq liar AHAHAHAHAH i dont care about retarded autistic nigger(you)
in sharia law, after divorce there's a thing called 'iddah, a waiting period, and it's how long a woman can marry again/return to her husband (with not husband dowry) after a divorce
usually, divorced women wait 3 menstrual cycles until they can marry again, for divorced women on menopause they have to wait three months, for pregnant women their waiting period ends with delivery
you're reading it incorrectly lol, a non-menstruating female cant even get pregnant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddah
Hope this clears it finally
Also yes i know arabic im an arab myself
Didnt what? Also I love how your retarded jewish ass didnt give any argument for it being a strawman. Also how's it a lie? Can you prove that? And look at you, running away from logical reasoning to being a pissbaby. Its so sad.
"And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] THOSE WHO HAVE NOT MENSTRUATED. And for those who are PREGNANT, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease." 65:4
All questions to quran and hadiths(also to tafsirs and commentaries to hadis...) Also:
@Warrior-Z:
Lying is sin in pisslam. You will be sent to hell by le allah filthy munafik
GEG SO YOU HAVE NO REFUTATION AND YOU LOST THE DEBATE? NO EVIDENCE FOR ME LYING BTW, SO YOU LOST HOLY KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
Oh my God, dude this verse is about divorce and waiting periods, are you trolling?? kys
THE SURAH IS LITERALLY CALLED "AT-TALAQ" (divorce in arabic) just read until verse 4 (the one you're talking about) https://quran.com/65
Lina Medina was menstruating nigga it was a medical condition (Precocious puberty)
you NEED menstruation to make eggs so sperm could fertilize it and develop an embryo, you dont remember high school biology?
this guy is a top tier troll
YOU WILL LOOK ONLY AT THE NAME OF SURAH AND NOT IN IT CONTENT??? IS THIS HOW YOU READ QURAN??? Nice argument "just look at the name of surrah" AHAHAHAHA
you argue with me, but I didn't say that you can get pregnant BEFORE MENSTRUATION. THIS IS IN THE KORAN, YOU FUCKER, READ THE TEXT OF THE QURAN:
"As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and THOSE WHO HAVE NOT MENSTRUATED AS WELL. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them." 65:4
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Althougheverbeit, they would be infertile
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