Asoori
The sane person in a world full of insane people will be called insane.
2 weeks ago#1101983
>What is the Jew God for Christians and Muslims
He's the Creator of all things, who instills fear in hearts, the one and only almighty, the giver and the taker.
You do not worship xim because you are convinced of xir message, but because you fear xir fire.
>What is the Jew God to the Jews?
he's the philosophy that push them forward.
He's the voices in their head, the laws that they lay down.
Ain't no Jew God, it's just the Jews, You'll see them having debates with their own God and win it.
Any Christian or Muslim is a Jew worshiper, and those who worship filth are lower than the filth they worship, and that filth, in turn, is lower than them.
It's just a bunch of people who race to the bottom, and when they hit it they'll dig to sink even lower.
He's the Creator of all things, who instills fear in hearts, the one and only almighty, the giver and the taker.
You do not worship xim because you are convinced of xir message, but because you fear xir fire.
>What is the Jew God to the Jews?
he's the philosophy that push them forward.
He's the voices in their head, the laws that they lay down.
Ain't no Jew God, it's just the Jews, You'll see them having debates with their own God and win it.
Any Christian or Muslim is a Jew worshiper, and those who worship filth are lower than the filth they worship, and that filth, in turn, is lower than them.
It's just a bunch of people who race to the bottom, and when they hit it they'll dig to sink even lower.
s1s40yogegbvlll
Known as the Peruvian Chudcel by the (((loan)))-wageslave venetroon or something
1 week ago#1180969
Hey friend, I have a question, what is the relation of satan (I'm talking in a general way that includes all his equivalents such as ahriman and others, all mean evil) with saturn? Recently I heard about the jehowah-satan concept.
ChuddyTuna
Arab mathematician Al-kharizmi discovered the number 0 trying to find how many goyim deserve to live
1 week ago#1180974
Actually I worship God
Hope this helps
Hope this helps
Aryanchud
Gaslight, Gatekeep,Gigaquote
1 week ago#1180993
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
ChuddyTuna
Arab mathematician Al-kharizmi discovered the number 0 trying to find how many goyim deserve to live
1 week ago#1180998
Chatgpt WONNot this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Aryanchud
Gaslight, Gatekeep,Gigaquote
1 week ago#1181005
I didn't use chatgptChatgpt WONShow quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Prince_Narcissist
Bringing back Drakeposting... Sexy Mfer, yes thats me in the pfp. /pol/GOD tripcode:!!dXaqigavtk
gapejaks_top_guy
I LOVE MORALFAGGING A LOT
1 week ago#1181029
Are you talking about the saturn shit that's being posted on 'tokHey friend, I have a question, what is the relation of satan (I'm talking in a general way that includes all his equivalents such as ahriman and others, all mean evil) with saturn? Recently I heard about the jehowah-satan concept.
mr_moose
mr_moose
1 week ago#1181045
>Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Eshelionite
BooruTrusted
1 week ago#1181050
How many threads have you made about the Abrahamic religions
Aryanchud
Gaslight, Gatekeep,Gigaquote
1 week ago#1181056
Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btw>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
mr_moose
mr_moose
1 week ago#1181069
>Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btwShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Aryanchud
Gaslight, Gatekeep,Gigaquote
1 week ago#1181073
This only further proves my point>Show quoted text
Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btwShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
ChuddyTuna
Arab mathematician Al-kharizmi discovered the number 0 trying to find how many goyim deserve to live
mr_moose
mr_moose
1 week ago#1181146
>This only further proves my pointShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btwShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Aryanchud
Gaslight, Gatekeep,Gigaquote
1 week ago#1181154
Must I repeat myself>Show quoted text
This only further proves my pointShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btwShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
mr_moose
mr_moose
1 week ago#1181169
>>Show quoted text
This only further proves my pointShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Obsessed anti-Semite and transphobe I'm replying to btwShow quoted text
>Show quoted text
Not this nigga again
This thread is expressing a hostile opinion about Jews and Jewish belief, not an accurate description of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Here are the main problems with it:
"The Jewish God is different for Jews than for Christians and Muslims."
This is misleading. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in one Creator God, although they have different understandings of God's nature and revelation. Christianity identifies God with the Trinity and believes Jesus is divine, Judaism rejects that, and Islam rejects both the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. But all three traditions trace their worship back to the God of Abraham.
"Jews don't really believe in God; God is just a philosophy."
This is false. Traditional Judaism teaches that God is a real, personal Creator who made the universe, gave the Torah, hears prayer, judges humanity, and acts in history. While some secular or cultural Jews may be atheists or view Judaism mainly as an identity or philosophy, that does not represent Judaism as a religion.
"Jews debate with God and win."
This twists a real feature of Jewish tradition. Jewish texts often contain stories where humans argue with God or question divine justice—for example, Abraham pleading for Sodom or Moses arguing on behalf of Israel. The Talmud also celebrates rigorous debate about interpreting God's law. That is not the same as saying God is imaginary or that people "beat" God.
"Christians and Muslims worship a Jewish god."
Christians and Muslims would generally say they worship the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham, even though they disagree with Judaism about many doctrines. Calling this "Jew worship" is rhetoric, not theology.
The final insults ("filth", "race to the bottom", etc.).
These are examples of hateful language directed at a religious and ethnic group. They are value judgments meant to demean people rather than provide evidence or analysis.
So the quoted text is not a factual explanation of religion. It mixes a few real observations—such as Judaism's tradition of debate and interpretation—with sweeping false claims and derogatory stereotypes to attack Jews and the religions connected to them.
Asoori
The sane person in a world full of insane people will be called insane.
1 week ago#1181587
In general Saturn was the old God to the humanity and it destroy it, there is this theory and it make sense to me my friend.Hey friend, I have a question, what is the relation of satan (I'm talking in a general way that includes all his equivalents such as ahriman and others, all mean evil) with saturn? Recently I heard about the jehowah-satan concept.
>It's the giver and taker
The same with Satan, Satan give and take, but in the end he only destroy just like Saturn.
This theory been discussed since the old days of 4cuck and it make much sense when you read the whole story of the Abrahamashits, you can't prove it nor you can disapprove it, but it make sense.
s1s40yogegbvlll
Known as the Peruvian Chudcel by the (((loan)))-wageslave venetroon or something
1 week ago#1181624
So is satan saturn or another being? Also what on the demiurge/yaldaboth/rex mundi (it seems to be shitturn too)In general Saturn was the old God to the humanity and it destroy it, there is this theory and it make sense to me my friend.Show quoted text
Hey friend, I have a question, what is the relation of satan (I'm talking in a general way that includes all his equivalents such as ahriman and others, all mean evil) with saturn? Recently I heard about the jehowah-satan concept.
>It's the giver and taker
The same with Satan, Satan give and take, but in the end he only destroy just like Saturn.
This theory been discussed since the old days of 4cuck and it make much sense when you read the whole story of the Abrahamashits, you can't prove it nor you can disapprove it, but it make sense.
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