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Sectionalism: @Olgol:
That's the problem. It isn't a question of when, it's a question of if, and "if" is already out of the question based on accepted characteristics of folk-psychological emotional conditions. Getting an "ought" out of Utilitarianism is the entire point of it as well as any ethical system. If your position on utilitarianism is "it is true but cannot be used to actually optimize decision making" then you're not talking about ethics.
I think not, Stoics were virtue ethicists. Stoics had their own logic/metaphysics and theory of aesthetics, it wasn't just a lifestyle. I'm not a Stoic, though.
I wrote that years ago. I'm more negative about life now than I was then. My views on Eva also evolved.
>But if we could somehow prove what will cause people happiness
That's the problem. It isn't a question of when, it's a question of if, and "if" is already out of the question based on accepted characteristics of folk-psychological emotional conditions. Getting an "ought" out of Utilitarianism is the entire point of it as well as any ethical system. If your position on utilitarianism is "it is true but cannot be used to actually optimize decision making" then you're not talking about ethics.
>It's like someone comparing Stoicism and virtue ethics
I think not, Stoics were virtue ethicists. Stoics had their own logic/metaphysics and theory of aesthetics, it wasn't just a lifestyle. I'm not a Stoic, though.
>NGE stuff
I wrote that years ago. I'm more negative about life now than I was then. My views on Eva also evolved.
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Olgol: @Sectionalism: Perhaps I didn't make it clear that by "cause" I dont mean physical cause. Truthfully, I take dualism as a given when talking about utilitarianism. I believe that causation (as in one event necessarily following the previous one) can still be used for utilitarianism if possible.
You're right that for utilitarianism to be an ethical system, its supposed to give an ought. I'll concede that. But thats where I part ways with most traditional utilitarian thinking. No ethical system can give an ought, so no need to bother with it. But at the same time, utilitarianism is true in that if you want to cause 'good' (read: pleasure), then its the only true system. I know its tautological, because 'good' is still mostly based on non utilitarian intuition and I end up saying "to cause pleasure, you need to cause pleasure". To cope with this i would argue that all "virtues" promote happiness causing behaviour. I would argue that even if they dont, they are perceived that way, as in it satisfies some intuition that is comfortable. So pleasure is 'good' itself, and if you want to cause 'good', then you should be a utilitarian. If you dont, then Utilitarianism falls apart
I suppose you are more knowledgeable than me on the stoic part. You are correct that the traditional stoics had a full blown metaphysics, epistemology and whatnot. What im saying is that Stoicism as conceived in self help books and in pop psychology is a lifestyle (loosely based on some philosophy). That is exactly how hedonism differs from utilitarianism.
Aha, nice to hear! I'd say its natural to feel as though EVA is deep and all, but when its own director is a loli munching geek, who admitted he skimmed through Kierkegaard's "Sickness Unto Death" and got bored of it, I say that everyone will see through the 'P. But Im sorry that I actually attacked you like this. I admit that I just skimmed over your profile and found the weed stuff, and that I also assumed that you were an antivaxx quack (since Substack is their home) for no reason. You're more based than I expected. I take all my insults back. I apologize
You're right that for utilitarianism to be an ethical system, its supposed to give an ought. I'll concede that. But thats where I part ways with most traditional utilitarian thinking. No ethical system can give an ought, so no need to bother with it. But at the same time, utilitarianism is true in that if you want to cause 'good' (read: pleasure), then its the only true system. I know its tautological, because 'good' is still mostly based on non utilitarian intuition and I end up saying "to cause pleasure, you need to cause pleasure". To cope with this i would argue that all "virtues" promote happiness causing behaviour. I would argue that even if they dont, they are perceived that way, as in it satisfies some intuition that is comfortable. So pleasure is 'good' itself, and if you want to cause 'good', then you should be a utilitarian. If you dont, then Utilitarianism falls apart
I suppose you are more knowledgeable than me on the stoic part. You are correct that the traditional stoics had a full blown metaphysics, epistemology and whatnot. What im saying is that Stoicism as conceived in self help books and in pop psychology is a lifestyle (loosely based on some philosophy). That is exactly how hedonism differs from utilitarianism.
Aha, nice to hear! I'd say its natural to feel as though EVA is deep and all, but when its own director is a loli munching geek, who admitted he skimmed through Kierkegaard's "Sickness Unto Death" and got bored of it, I say that everyone will see through the 'P. But Im sorry that I actually attacked you like this. I admit that I just skimmed over your profile and found the weed stuff, and that I also assumed that you were an antivaxx quack (since Substack is their home) for no reason. You're more based than I expected. I take all my insults back. I apologize
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Sectionalism: @Olgol: Its ok. I probably have substonks which deserve more criticism than they get anyways
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