That's a bit

SUSSY

We've got a

SUSSY BAKA

over here

Coal

hes just getting rizzy? didnt prove your point too well

@finocide: most christians leak at seeing a woman's shoulder lol, this is clearly more than just rizz anyways

Solomon said that to his WIFE
You are allowed to have sex with your wife obviously
Also, masturbation is a sin on top of that

Gem that made ortholapers dilate

@MenstrualCykill: the bible never actually says masturbation is a sin, only to clean your sheets after you finish.

@John8_44:
Genesis 38:9-10

>But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

@John8_44:
Matthew 5:28

>But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

i struggle with my sins too but you really shouldnt try to justify things that are clearly condemned

@MenstrualCykill: yk he had like 1000 wifes right

@MenstrualCykill: Onan refused to provide an heir for his dead brother and was killed for it

@Chud:

>adultery

Not married so it doesnt count

*wives

@Soyton: That's not the point
@John8_44: Yes, that's the point, he was put to death for masturbation, also having sex while married ISN'T a sin, but premarital sex/masturbation (regardless if married or not) is a sin as described in that Genesis verse

@MenstrualCykill: and yk most of these wives were probably bought or generally forced to marry him

@MenstrualCykill: calling his act "masturbation" is a serious stretch, he was told to impregnate his brother's widow but decided he'd rather just have sex with her and pull out to prevent a pregnancy on purpose

@Soyton: ferret when solomon had it all he felt empty inside until he found God
also, there's a reason why it's a "probably" and not an actual fact
that's besides the point anyways

@John8_44: ok but even then wouldnt it count as fornication (which is also something that is condemned)?
@Soyton: this is because solomon forgot his wisdom and he turned to idolatry, polygamy is also condemned (and the following chapter mentioned is specifically talking about what kings must and must not do)
Deuteronomy 17:17

>And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

@John8_44: I mean, that is masturbation, spilling your semen in the ground is masturbation
You didn't refute the other points I made as well

@Chud: Fornication is condemned if it's premarital

@Chud: @MenstrualCykill: yeah, and what I mean is that none of you should consider solomon a saint example, nor the song of solomon as something exemplary

@MenstrualCykill: yeah thats what fornication is (premarital sex)

@MenstrualCykill: sex is the same thing as "marriage" in the bible, so premarital sex is impossible.

@Soyton: King Solomon isn't considered a saint in Catholicism (which is what I am) but he is considered one in the Oriental Orthodox Church, so

@John8_44: I mean you can marry someone without having sex but not a lot of people do that, also they're not the same

>premarital sex is impossible

Do you know what hookup culture is?

@MenstrualCykill: yeah but regardless, what I mean is that something being mentioned in the Bible doesnt make it saint

@Soyton: I know ferret because if that was true then Judas Iscariot would've been a saint

@MenstrualCykill: whoever you lose your virginity to is considered your wife. Even if it was a street hoe, anytime you mate with someone after that (unless the street hoe dies) is considered adultery.

@MenstrualCykill: yeah, and that shouldve been your argument to this gooner from the start, instead of "he said it to one of his gorillion wives"

That's a lot of leakage alright

@John8_44: This is the most stupid thing ever,

PREMARITAL SEX IS CONSIDERED ADULTERY AND IS A MORTAL SIN.

You may repent, but you still have done the sin
@Soyton: I was just describing why Solomon said that bro :skull:

But then again, you believe in "once saved, always saved".

brimstone

@MenstrualCykill: does Christ forgive all your sins or only the less bad ones?

@John8_44: He forgives all your sins, but that doesn't mean you have to continue sinning
Also, you can

lose

your salvation, but you don't seem to care really because you somehow believe hell doesn't exist

@John8_44: christ would not forgive mexibrapcychad

@MenstrualCykill: Well not all sins, blasphemy is unforgivable

@MenstrualCykill: it doesnt lol, why would it exist in the first place

@MissCircleLargeBreast: trve

@John8_44: Do you believe figures like Judas Iscariot are in Heaven?

>But the LORD laughs at the wicked, for He knows their day is coming.

- Psalm 37:13, where do you think these supposed "wicked" will go?

@MissCircleLargeBreast: @John8_44:

John I don't hold anything against you, I just want to correct the stuff you believe in

rape everyone and leave

@MenstrualCykill: no because he was an edomite

@John8_44: You still haven't answered, where will the wicked go after their death?
Where will the people who blaspheme God and continue to do so go?

@MenstrualCykill: the blasphemers will be made fools in the kingdom. The final judgement is whether you have any rewards in heaven and many people (probably including me) will have none at all

@John8_44: So, you believe they'll be the jesters and be used as tools of mockery in Heaven?

@MenstrualCykill: you cant lose your salvation, the whole point of being a Christian is that you are a new creation
2 Corinthians 5:17

>Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Romans 8:38-39

>For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

as for addressing the self-proclaimed "Christians" that left the faith, they were never Christians to begin with because something led them out of their supposed faith, at best they were self deceived
@John8_44: Hell is literally all over scripture
Matthew 25:46

>And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

eternal punishment is referring to hell where they will burn and then they die forever
Revelation 20:14-15

>Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

these arent just single verses taken out of context btw you can read the whole thing yourself

@MenstrualCykill: basically yeah. Im guessing you believe the standard church narrative of "good boys to to heaven, bad boys go to hell"

@Chud: there are many Greek words that are substituded as "hell" but none of them directly refer to eternal punishment. The lake of fire is an instant death and not eternal punishment either

@John8_44:

@Chud: Salvation is loseable
Galatians 5:4, >You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ;

you have fallen away from grace.

The verses you describe are people who rejoice in their salvation will live forever

<they were never Christians to begin with because something led them out of their supposed faith, at best they were self deceived

If that's what you mean for "Christians" who leave their faith, then sure I guess

@John8_44: eternal death IS eternal punishment, life is a gift

@MenstrualCykill: this refers to people to rely on their own works instead of salvation by grace through faith, and yes thats what i mean for "Christians" who leave their supposed faith

@Chud: Well, now I see what you mean