Warrior-Z
Keep Raging On Me / BooruBVLL Since 2023
3 weeks ago#284117
@Soyton Okay, retard. So you think that Muslims started the war, right? This is factually disproven.
A large-scale Jewish migration to Palestine began, accelerated by Jewish people fleeing Nazism in Europe. Between 1918 and 1947, the Jewish population in Palestine increased from 6 percent to 33 percent. Palestinians were alarmed by the demographic change and tensions rose, leading to the Palestinian revolt from 1936 to 1939. Meanwhile, Zionist organisations continued to campaign for a homeland for Jews in Palestine. Armed Zionist militias started to attack the Palestinian people, forcing them to flee. Zionism, which emerged as a political ideology in the late 19th century, called for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Leading up to Israel’s birth in 1948, more than 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their homes by Zionist militias. This mass exodus came to be known as the Nakba or catastrophe. A further 300,000 Palestinians were displaced by the Six-Day War in 1967.
Many Jews were against Zionism, and I respect Judaism.
A large-scale Jewish migration to Palestine began, accelerated by Jewish people fleeing Nazism in Europe. Between 1918 and 1947, the Jewish population in Palestine increased from 6 percent to 33 percent. Palestinians were alarmed by the demographic change and tensions rose, leading to the Palestinian revolt from 1936 to 1939. Meanwhile, Zionist organisations continued to campaign for a homeland for Jews in Palestine. Armed Zionist militias started to attack the Palestinian people, forcing them to flee. Zionism, which emerged as a political ideology in the late 19th century, called for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Leading up to Israel’s birth in 1948, more than 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their homes by Zionist militias. This mass exodus came to be known as the Nakba or catastrophe. A further 300,000 Palestinians were displaced by the Six-Day War in 1967.
Many Jews were against Zionism, and I respect Judaism.
Soyton
Not fatigued yet
3 weeks ago#366903
Wow, I thought you already got that I wasnt negating the harm on arab side, I just tried to tell you how despite it, turning this into a war wasnt worth this piece of land with how outpowered the israel and the west was. The resistance overall wasnt irrational, but at the moment it was suicidal move. And to neutralize the IDF? It should be, idk, managed better, it should get rid of violating factors and individuals, but its strenght shouldnt be lowered with how vengeful arabs are.There you go, you admitted that Jewish arrival and what followed wasn’t objectively good from every aspect. But notice what that concession does to your whole argument. You’ve spent this entire time framing Arabs as irrational for resisting, yet you now admit the situation was bad and had real downsides for the people already living there. So which is it? If the outcome involved serious harm and loss for them, then their resistance isn’t illogical. Stop pretending the outcome we got was the only rational path and that one side is solely responsible for everything that followed. The perfect solution is to neutralize the IDF, and the terrorists that go after civilians, then have an actual meeting where they can agree upon a fair portion of land being shared if not giving the crucial ones to Palestines. So yeah, actors made decisions that escalated tensions. I know it's idealistic, but that's about it. Even more idealistic would be to give me superpowers, happy?Show quoted text
Well I dont know what to say at this point because I cant even figure what stance do you expect from me. Ill say that jews ariving there then isnt something objectively good from every aspect, I never said so, but bad happenings through centuries even led to this taking place, what better outcome do you practically think there could be if now you claim how tensions stretch so far in history and single action couldnt end them. In politics you cant ever have perfect outcomes, but maybe if I adapted this magical thinking to judge what was happening then you would be satisfied.Show quoted text
How about you track the conversation because you are repeating the same points I refuted and going circular. Lmao, nobody denied that 1920 happened. The point you keep dodging is context as tensions were already rising due to taking over land, and political uncertainty under the British Mandate for Palestine. First, the 1920–1929 violence. Nobody denied it happened. Suffering doesn’t grant moral immunity. What happened in the The Holocaust was one of the worst atrocities in human history, but that doesn’t mean every action taken afterward is automatically justified. Refugees fleeing Europe absolutely increased numbers but the political goal of establishing a state was already there. So no, this wasn’t just random people arriving with zero political dimension and suddenly everything escalated for no reason. The Ottoman Empire lost the territory after war, and Britain took control. The reality is still the same, a power ruled over a local population and made decisions about their future. Changing the label doesn’t change the dynamic. And there not being a plan doesn't mean there had no claim or expectation of self-rule. Holy raisin, you are actually retarded, man.
Warrior-Z
Keep Raging On Me / BooruBVLL Since 2023
Warrior-Z
Keep Raging On Me / BooruBVLL Since 2023
3 weeks ago#367118
You’re still shifting the standard mid-argument. You’re judging decisions purely by outcome and power imbalance, not by the situation people were actually in. That's insane. By that standard, any group facing loss of land or control should just submit if they’re weaker, which AGAIN, for the 500TH TIME, get it through your animal-raping head, not how war works. Also wdym it wasn't worth it? Worth it to who? For people who felt they were losing their land and future under the British Mandate for Palestine, that’s not some trade, are you retarded? And then you jump to vengeful Arabs, which is just a blanket generalization. You’ve been criticizing generalization this whole time, yet you keep falling back on it when it supports your point. That’s not good reasoning. Also you are dumb asf, the IDF SHOULD in fact be neutralized because they rape and kill civilians, lmao, so no, they shouldn't be "kept strong", they should have sticks and stones.Wow, I thought you already got that I wasnt negating the harm on arab side, I just tried to tell you how despite it, turning this into a war wasnt worth this piece of land with how outpowered the israel and the west was. The resistance overall wasnt irrational, but at the moment it was suicidal move. And to neutralize the IDF? It should be, idk, managed better, it should get rid of violating factors and individuals, but its strenght shouldnt be lowered with how vengeful arabs are.Show quoted text
There you go, you admitted that Jewish arrival and what followed wasn’t objectively good from every aspect. But notice what that concession does to your whole argument. You’ve spent this entire time framing Arabs as irrational for resisting, yet you now admit the situation was bad and had real downsides for the people already living there. So which is it? If the outcome involved serious harm and loss for them, then their resistance isn’t illogical. Stop pretending the outcome we got was the only rational path and that one side is solely responsible for everything that followed. The perfect solution is to neutralize the IDF, and the terrorists that go after civilians, then have an actual meeting where they can agree upon a fair portion of land being shared if not giving the crucial ones to Palestines. So yeah, actors made decisions that escalated tensions. I know it's idealistic, but that's about it. Even more idealistic would be to give me superpowers, happy?
Soyton
Not fatigued yet
3 weeks ago#367120
It wasnt towards you this time, just general mentionYeah that's not the case, retard, no one has said or claimed this besides a few dichotomy-blinded people on Xitter.Show quoted text
Btw I find it funny how leftists and arabs suddenly care about genetics when deciding who has the right to live there, since jews are "too european" to them
Soyton
Not fatigued yet
3 weeks ago#367158
Except people are facing loss of land all the time, everywhere, and accepting it because of being outmatched spares all these lives. Thats what it wasnt worth. Also saying theyre vengeful is not generalization, it just being aware of what their move would be in a position of power. Lets pretend it wouldnt even be by their nations, their states would enact vengeance because they already try to.You’re still shifting the standard mid-argument. You’re judging decisions purely by outcome and power imbalance, not by the situation people were actually in. That's insane. By that standard, any group facing loss of land or control should just submit if they’re weaker, which AGAIN, for the 500TH TIME, get it through your animal-raping head, not how war works. Also wdym it wasn't worth it? Worth it to who? For people who felt they were losing their land and future under the British Mandate for Palestine, that’s not some trade, are you retarded? And then you jump to vengeful Arabs, which is just a blanket generalization. You’ve been criticizing generalization this whole time, yet you keep falling back on it when it supports your point. That’s not good reasoning. Also you are dumb asf, the IDF SHOULD in fact be neutralized because they rape and kill civilians, lmao, so no, they shouldn't be "kept strong", they should have sticks and stones.Show quoted text
Wow, I thought you already got that I wasnt negating the harm on arab side, I just tried to tell you how despite it, turning this into a war wasnt worth this piece of land with how outpowered the israel and the west was. The resistance overall wasnt irrational, but at the moment it was suicidal move. And to neutralize the IDF? It should be, idk, managed better, it should get rid of violating factors and individuals, but its strenght shouldnt be lowered with how vengeful arabs are.Show quoted text
There you go, you admitted that Jewish arrival and what followed wasn’t objectively good from every aspect. But notice what that concession does to your whole argument. You’ve spent this entire time framing Arabs as irrational for resisting, yet you now admit the situation was bad and had real downsides for the people already living there. So which is it? If the outcome involved serious harm and loss for them, then their resistance isn’t illogical. Stop pretending the outcome we got was the only rational path and that one side is solely responsible for everything that followed. The perfect solution is to neutralize the IDF, and the terrorists that go after civilians, then have an actual meeting where they can agree upon a fair portion of land being shared if not giving the crucial ones to Palestines. So yeah, actors made decisions that escalated tensions. I know it's idealistic, but that's about it. Even more idealistic would be to give me superpowers, happy?
Soyton
Not fatigued yet
I think we already reached a point where we wont change eachother's minds, you claim that the land was worth the fight despite being weaker, I think that there was no real chance for arabs to gain anything from it at the time and it only worsened their position forever. At least I found out where your crucial point stands and could already let it go, but you care so much about who wins or neg-diffs or whatever that I will stay.
Warrior-Z
Keep Raging On Me / BooruBVLL Since 2023
But in a scenario you gave, where both sides are disarmed somehow, then IDF too should, except its not practical suggestion at all
I already debunked both of these claims btw, that you bring with quite literally zero evidence because you are a massive subhuman retard who can't debate. Hitchens razor dismisses these.But well, important thing to consider is how the war wasnt centralized at first but through militias, yet still arab ones initiated it.
cocoschoppenboer
Friendship is Witchcraft
2 weeks ago#384904
they assassinated ScatTDM?
cocoschoppenboer
Friendship is Witchcraft
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