2 days ago#183734
What happened to the modern left? Or rather, to the majority of them. They used to be workers' rights activists, members of trade unions and labor syndicates who tried/and succeeded in creating a socialist state. Now, the majority are completely passive commentators on platforms like Reddit and LGBT "activists" who don't really do anything to create a socialist paradise
>The "fight" of the modern Left
<The fight of the "Old" left
Funnybenny18
Plays Kangaroo
2 days ago#184046
<Was Something The Regime Did...>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
27caca46
Not that brown
2 days ago#184052
Mafia would have stayed and is the point you cant debate<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
Funnybenny18
Plays Kangaroo
2 days ago#184054
Was Mainly Just Sicily Doe...Mafia would have stayed and is the point you cant debateShow quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
melissa
yeah
2 days ago#184055
could've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
27caca46
Not that brown
He has a point doe, any leader could have indutrialized his country during early IXX centurycould've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?Show quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
melissa
yeah
2 days ago#184070
okay so what bro anyone else could've done that in their country too, you gotta look at what he did instead of what others could doHe has a point doe any leader could have indutrialized his country during early IXX centuryShow quoted text
could've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?Show quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
27caca46
Not that brown
2 days ago#184074
Mafia would have stayed and is the point you cant debateShow quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
okay so what bro anyone else could've done that in their country too, you gotta look at what he did instead of what others could doShow quoted text
He has a point doe any leader could have indutrialized his country during early IXX centuryShow quoted text
could've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?Show quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...Show quoted text
>industrial constructions (around 1930s)Show quoted text
Ok... But What Did He Actually Do... One Vague Word Doesn't Particularly Sway Me Into Liking Him
>ended the confilict with Vatican
>expanded social security
>oversaw major urban plannings especially in Rome
>weakened the mafia
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
Funnybenny18
Plays Kangaroo
2 days ago#184076
My Point Is Not To Discredit Mussolini But To Instead Illustrate That Mussolini Did What Was Expected Of An Economy Of That Time... Because When Italy Was At The Bottom With A Struggling Economy, The Only Way Was Up... And Mussolini Did That By Borrowing And Putting Revitalisation On Credit... Credit That Was Due And Yet The Factories Didn't Produce Enough For Return... And There Were Less Returns On Agriculture, Which Was The Economy Of Italy Because Mussolini Put So Much Focus On Industrialization.could've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?Show quoted text
<Was Something The Regime Did...
<Already Set Up In The Late 1800s... Could've Been Anyone Doing It...
<Seconded, But To Be Fair It Wouldn't Have Expanded Without Mussolini
<Could've Been Anyone Again
<Times Were Changing For The Mafia, I'm Sure Anybody Would've Wanted Them Gone...
Something Else To Consider Is That These Reforms Came Pretty Late Before WW2, Other Countries Around The World Already Enacted Policies Or Revitalisation Projects Of Similar Degrees. It Wouldn't Be Fair To Say That This Was Groundbreaking At The Time, But At The Same Time... Seems That These Were Good Decisions Nonetheless...
But Either Way All Of These Wouldn't Have Really Given Returns Past A Certain Point Because The Industry Was Propped Up By Money That Was Losing Value, And A Lot Of It Was Borrowed Or Credited... Not Real Money. These Are Good Decisions But Mussolini's Ideology Against Low Tarrifs Meant That Industries Would've Suffered Because Why Trade With Italy When You Can Trade With Someone Else... If WW2 Didn't Come Along I'm Sure Italy Would've Imploded...
Italy Didn't Just Join WW2 Because They Were Best Pals With Germany, They Joined Because They Needed More Raw Materiel For The Factories, And To Make Up For Lost Profits That Were The Cost Of Replacing Investments In Agriculture And Propping Up Industry...
You Can Build Factories On Credit But Once You Start Paying Your People Credit Then That Shit Gets Flushed Away
Funnybenny18
Plays Kangaroo
2 days ago#184081
It Was A Long Term Solution For A Short Term Problem...My Point Is Not To Discredit Mussolini But To Instead Illustrate That Mussolini Did What Was Expected Of An Economy Of That Time... Because When Italy Was At The Bottom With A Struggling Economy, The Only Way Was Up... And Mussolini Did That By Borrowing And Putting Revitalisation On Credit... Credit That Was Due And Yet The Factories Didn't Produce Enough For Return... And There Were Less Returns On Agriculture, Which Was The Economy Of Italy Because Mussolini Put So Much Focus On Industrialization.Show quoted text
could've been anyone is not a good argument, anyone could've done anything. someone else could've done the holocaust, someone else could've started the first world War too. why use it as a argument?
Italy Didn't Just Join WW2 Because They Were Best Pals With Germany, They Joined Because They Needed More Raw Materiel For The Factories, And To Make Up For Lost Profits That Were The Cost Of Replacing Investments In Agriculture And Propping Up Industry...
You Can Build Factories On Credit But Once You Start Paying Your People Credit Then That Shit Gets Flushed Away
MenstrualCykill
Pissed
2 days ago#186484
The decline of leftism is due to academics, more specifically the Frankfurt school and Foucault. Because the community is the foundation of their ideology, leftists tend to be more social and consensus-seeking overall.
Additionally, after ww2 communism stopped being a hypothetical political model and became a geopolitical threat. The communist parties of europe became inevitably tied with the KGB, but the socialists still got some support.
In the 50's and 60's meanwhile the Frankfurt school anticipated the collapse of communism, and observed that 1st world countries no longer had populations of workers, but consumers. Their solution was to make a broad coalition of minorities instead. Foucault used postmodernism to create these identity groups. Everyone even slightly counter-cultural with a college education has been influenced by this more academic leftism.
After the fall of the soviet union nobody believed socialism was still economically viable. Socialist parties in europe announced they where "shedding their socialist past" and appealing to minorities became political necessity.
Additionally, after ww2 communism stopped being a hypothetical political model and became a geopolitical threat. The communist parties of europe became inevitably tied with the KGB, but the socialists still got some support.
In the 50's and 60's meanwhile the Frankfurt school anticipated the collapse of communism, and observed that 1st world countries no longer had populations of workers, but consumers. Their solution was to make a broad coalition of minorities instead. Foucault used postmodernism to create these identity groups. Everyone even slightly counter-cultural with a college education has been influenced by this more academic leftism.
After the fall of the soviet union nobody believed socialism was still economically viable. Socialist parties in europe announced they where "shedding their socialist past" and appealing to minorities became political necessity.
We didnt. The reason you think like that is white people are weak and you are living with white people.
YesMaggotNoFaggot
>Hey! This image is supposed to be below the quote, not above it!
2 hours ago#204538
Leftism became equivalent of communism that separates everyone in classes and then remove the privileges of the classes they don’t like
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