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7 hours ago#1298927
>janny >can't ban >can only delete postsHonestly yeah you’re pretty correct. That is actually the reason why janitor as a role was removed.Show quoted text
I don't see the point in having an admin role and a "not admin but can do everything an admin can" roleShow quoted text
If you're missing tools, then ask for them on mod too, you don't need to be red. Maybe a special purple role would be better fit for this like some people are suggesting.
Heinrich_Adelmann
hillelchan.net
Heinrich_Adelmann
hillelchan.net
7 hours ago#1298946
How exactly is it based on speculation about moderation? I just said jannies should hold no power over generic things like whats allowed on the gallery and rule changes, and suggested that AT MOST they could influence the admins on said changes. If that kind of thing causes janny infighting then its not my problem, thats why i didnt say they absolutely should council the admins. In my opinion, the role should remain separate from actually administrative thingsYeah but your disagreement has been only baseless speculation of how moderation is handled when it isn’t the case coupled with your moderation incompetence.Show quoted text
You dont need to take everything personally, you know. I just disagreeShow quoted text
Not sure why you’re switching up too when I decided to assist you as well whenever you needed and you came crying to me about Broot lol.
>I don't see the point in having an admin role and a "not admin but can do everything an admin can" role
>Honestly yeah you’re pretty correct. That is actually the reason why janitor as a role was removed.
Admin and hypothetical purple/mod may have the same janitorial abilities, but the main distinction with Admin should be that they actually administrate the website i.e make the rules and the changes.
7 hours ago#1298977
Yeah, that’s janitors and actually they do have a right and responsibility to give their opinion on something that they think is flawed such as a loophole in a referendum or not. They would be free to discuss such and come to a conclusion. Again, you’re not really comprehending what the authority of an administrator comes down to. It needs an agreement from other administrators as well, sometimes even trials from moderators. There’s no fighting, there’s only discussion and discourse about a solution or two. I don’t get this emotional outburst about administration.How exactly is it based on speculation about moderation? I just said jannies should hold no power over generic things like whats allowed on the gallery and rule changes, and suggested that AT MOST they could influence the admins on said changes. If that kind of thing causes janny infighting then its not my problem, thats why i didnt say they absolutely should council the admins. In my opinion, the role should remain separate from actually administrative thingsShow quoted text
Yeah but your disagreement has been only baseless speculation of how moderation is handled when it isn’t the case coupled with your moderation incompetence.
Yeah but again, it wouldn’t change because administrators propose a rule, and it gets passed through by the agreement of others as well. So it’s not really a difference either especially when the only thing arguably under admin is manager which is just managing the website which by every definition has a quantity of authority over the website.>I don't see the point in having an admin role and a "not admin but can do everything an admin can" role
>Honestly yeah you’re pretty correct. That is actually the reason why janitor as a role was removed.
Admin and hypothetical purple/mod may have the same janitorial abilities, but the main distinction with Admin should be that they actually administrate the website i.e make the rules and the changes.
>It needs an agreement from the other administrators as well, sometimes even trials from moderatorsYeah, that’s janitors and actually they do have a right and responsibility to give their opinion on something that they think is flawed such as a loophole in a referendum or not. They would be free to discuss such and come to a conclusion. Again, you’re not really comprehending what the authority of an administrator comes down to. It needs an agreement from other administrators as well, sometimes even trials from moderators. There’s no fighting, there’s only discussion and discourse about a solution or two. I don’t get this emotional outburst about administration.Show quoted text
How exactly is it based on speculation about moderation? I just said jannies should hold no power over generic things like whats allowed on the gallery and rule changes, and suggested that AT MOST they could influence the admins on said changes. If that kind of thing causes janny infighting then its not my problem, thats why i didnt say they absolutely should council the admins. In my opinion, the role should remain separate from actually administrative thingsShow quoted text
Yeah but your disagreement has been only baseless speculation of how moderation is handled when it isn’t the case coupled with your moderation incompetence.Yeah but again, it wouldn’t change because administrators propose a rule, and it gets passed through by the agreement of others as well. So it’s not really a difference either especially when the only thing arguably under admin is manager which is just managing the website which by every definition has a quantity of authority over the website.Show quoted text
>I don't see the point in having an admin role and a "not admin but can do everything an admin can" role
>Honestly yeah you’re pretty correct. That is actually the reason why janitor as a role was removed.
Admin and hypothetical purple/mod may have the same janitorial abilities, but the main distinction with Admin should be that they actually administrate the website i.e make the rules and the changes.
thats exactly what im arguing against. Since now there is basically only one administrator which also happens to have a good track record, there is no need for admin disagreements, and im against the moderators having to agree either.
>But what about timezones and being too much of a responsibility for one person?
Fair enough, but i dont think the soyball website is going to explode if these problems arise. I dont see it as that serious considering the low userbase.
>Emotional outburst about administration?
are you trying to bait me? what could possibly be emotional about any of this? Im discussing something.>Yeah but again, it wouldn’t change because administrators propose a rule, and it gets passed through by the agreement of others as well. So it’s not really a difference either especially when the only thing arguably under admin is manager which is just managing the website which by every definition has a quantity of authority over the website.
Same thing i said earlier, doesnt really have to get passed down
7 hours ago#1299097
I think it’s better to have a role that is thoroughly checked by other administrators than one that would have a certain consequence by one administrator. Said rules could be overturned at any time and this administrator would have unchecked authority. Either way managers would still express their disagreement to the administrator and thus there would still be some sort of discussion.thats exactly what im arguing against. Since now there is basically only one administrator that has a good track record, there is no need for admin disagreements, and im against the moderators having to agree either.Show quoted text
Yeah, that’s janitors and actually they do have a right and responsibility to give their opinion on something that they think is flawed such as a loophole in a referendum or not. They would be free to discuss such and come to a conclusion. Again, you’re not really comprehending what the authority of an administrator comes down to. It needs an agreement from other administrators as well, sometimes even trials from moderators. There’s no fighting, there’s only discussion and discourse about a solution or two. I don’t get this emotional outburst about administration.
Yeah but again, it wouldn’t change because administrators propose a rule, and it gets passed through by the agreement of others as well. So it’s not really a difference either especially when the only thing arguably under admin is manager which is just managing the website which by every definition has a quantity of authority over the website.
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Yeah I think this appeal to doomsday fallacy is just not gonna suffice as a reputation because again we’re talking about practicality and being able to solve these problems as soon as possible so it doesn’t frustrate the user base whenever and administrator is not active or the staff that genuinely do need help or are at a situation.Fair enough, but i dont think the soyball website is going to explode if these problems arise. I dont see it as that serious considering the low userbase.
These arguments do seem emotionally motivated because you’re saying that a ruling by a single administrator is somehow better because it just causes less thinking and complexity.>Emotional outburst about administration?
Okay, so you understand that manager still has a level of authority where the website and administrators do treat the word as value.Same thing i said earlier, doesnt really have to get passed down
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